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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 15:40:27 GMT -5
Is an 1886 Daimler-Benz considered to be part of the Chrysler family now? I just picked up a kit of the 1886 Daimler-Benz motor carriage. It is considered to be the world's first four-wheeled automobile. I'm just curious as to whether or not it is considered part of the family now.
That would also bring up another question. Are Mercedes considered part of the Chrysler family now? AMCs have been welcomed into the fold, but where does the "family" end?
I'll let you gurus tell me about it all. I have no opinion on the subject so I'm open to any feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 16:42:47 GMT -5
Hmmm. No comments or ideas about this? Surely one of you MOPAR gurus at least has a personal opinion on the subject.
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Post by tubbs on Jul 1, 2020 11:36:56 GMT -5
Steve, I have no idea on this one. My personal opinion, I still look at it this way, Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth is it for me, the buying of other brands is like the step child, you welcome the kid in, but he is not part of the origional family.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 13:43:45 GMT -5
That pretty much makes sense. That would then cast AMC as a stepchild as opposed to being part of the family. Where then would that place RAM?
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Post by BUCKY on Jul 4, 2020 22:39:38 GMT -5
A couple brands that were "family" brands are DeSoto and Fargo. It's a very twisted family tree for Chrysler. Willys and Hudson fall in there, too. But, if Chrysler buying AMC makes AMC a stepchild, then DODGE would have to be considered the same. I believe Chrysler bought DODGE too, back in the early history of the industry. It's far more complicated in the corporate world these days. Mergers and buyouts really cloud things up. Would a Mercedes be considered a MOPAR, or would a MOPAR be considered a Mercedes? After all, the 2017 Chrysler 300 in my driveway has Mercedes underpinnings.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 0:30:14 GMT -5
Yep, that's kind of what I was getting at. Who owns whom? Who is the real Ma MOPAR, who is in the family, and who are just stepchildren? Is this Daimler-Benz the original Ma MOPAR?
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Post by BUCKY on Jul 5, 2020 1:03:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 3:14:58 GMT -5
Yeah, but Daimler-Benz produced automobiles long before Chrysler or the Dodge Boys. So when the merger took place didn't that make Daimler-Benz the "parent company"? It's slippery ground. Which of the companies should be considered as THE company that started the whole thing? The Dodge Boys could, in a twisted kind of way, be considered the start of the whole MOPAR performance thing. And like you said before, consideration has to be given to De Soto and others since each of them contributed to the growth and success of the whole family. I've personally always considered just Chrysler, Plymouth, and Dodge to be the Pentastar companies, but maybe I'm wrong.
It's certainly food for thought and some more great MOPAR trivia. The whole question of how Daimler-Benz fits in popped in my head while I was looking at the 1886 Daimler-Benz kit. I did a bit of Internet research and discovered they are credited with being the first real manufacturer of automobiles. I can't say I ever knew that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 15:04:03 GMT -5
Just a note about my last post.
Hey, Keith. I just read that last post of mine again. Thought I'd best clarify. I wasn't attempting to argue or contradict you. I'm just throwing out questions. The MOPAR family tree is pretty darned interesting if nothing else. How everything fits together is pretty complex. Like I said, I always considered just Chrysler, Plymouth, and Dodge when talk of MOPARs came up. Everything else was always a stepchild to me. But then you start looking at how all the pieces fit together and it sure does make you think.
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Post by BUCKY on Jul 5, 2020 16:59:11 GMT -5
I went to the Walter P. Chrysler Museum in Auburn Hills, Michigan back in about 1998. There was an interesting "Family Tree" type wall hanging that showed all the car brands that were associated with Chrysler. Even Freightliner was in the mix! Read the very first line of this article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_automobileMaxwell was a brand of automobiles manufactured in the United States of America from about 1904 to 1925. The present-day successor to the Maxwell company is Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.
It's a jumbled up, mixed up, crazy world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:23:50 GMT -5
I'm a little familiar with the Maxwell. Somewhere I have a DVD or CD full of photos I took at a car show in Robinson, IL. There was a Maxwell there. I vaguely recall the owner telling me it was one of the "good Maxwells". I guess that would make it a 1921 - 1925 model. I need to dig those photos out and get them back on a hard drive somewhere.
I absolutely had no idea Freightliner was ever in the Chrysler family. I wonder how that came to be. I'll see what I can dig up on that. Really interesting!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:28:00 GMT -5
Well, that was a whole lot easier than I thought it would be. I found this as the first result in a search.
So, Detroit Diesel and Western Star are also part of the whole, big Chrysler family. Wow!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freightliner_Trucks
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Post by tubbs on Jul 5, 2020 17:46:24 GMT -5
I have a headache.
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Post by BUCKY on Jul 5, 2020 17:51:16 GMT -5
Mind boggling, ain't it? LOL
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