'69 Super Bee A12 question

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OK, all you gurus. I can't seem to find the answer to a question I have. Both of the cars pictured below are '69 Super Bee A12 models. One has dog dish caps and the other has no hubcaps at all. So, were the dog dish caps standard with a delete option, or were plain steels wheels standard with an option to add dog dish caps? I have multiple '69 Coronet kits. I plan to build one factory stock, one as a Day 2 car, and then one or more in various drag attire. I'd like to know for sure which way was the standard, basic issue.

Any ideas?

[DusterEd]

I believe those cars came factory with no center caps.

[Deleted]

OK. That's what I was thinking, but couldn't find anything proving it one way or the other. I'm now wondering if dog dishes were an available option, or if the owner of the car shown with them just added them himself.

[68383]

I’ve never seen dog dish / poverty caps on a legit A12 car. They were meant to race, and you don’t want hubcaps flying off down the 1320.

[Deleted]

That's true, sure enough. Hadn't thought about that. Well, I won't have to worry about finding a set of dog dishes for the factory stock build.

[BUCKY]

Info on the A12 taken from Wikipedia:


A "six-pack" (three two-barrel Holley carburetors) version of Dodge's 440 cu in (7.2 L) engine was

added to the offering list mid-year rated at 390 bhp (395 PS; 291 kW) @ 4700 rpm and 490 lb⋅ft (664

N⋅m) @ 3600 rpm of torque.[17][18] The option code for this was A12, which changed the 5th digit of

the VIN to M. These special order 1969 1/2 Dodge Super Bees are known as A12 M-code cars. The A12

package also equipped the cars with a Dana 60 axle with a 4:10 gear-ratio, heavy duty automatic

transmission or a 4-speed manual, and a 'lift off' flat black scooped hood. Other components to the A12

package included heavy duty internal engine parts, black steel rims with high performance G-70 15"

tires, and heavy duty 11" drum brakes. Only 1,907 A12 M-code 440 Six Pack 1969 1/2 Dodge Super Bees

were produced. This option fell half-way between the standard engine and the Hemi as a USD463

option. The 1969 model year included the base 383 Magnum, 440 Six Pack, and the 426 Hemi. The 440

Magnum (4bbl) was reserved for the Coronet R/T.


No mention of Dog Dish caps being standard or optional.

[Deleted]

What can't be positively determined from that is whether there was an option to order dog dishes as an add-on. That's what I wasn't sure of. After I ran across the photos of that A12 I started wondering if a fellow could order hub caps or not. Anybody could just buy a set and stick them on, but could they be ordered when placing the order for the A12? Not sure why anybody would want to, but there are all kinds of people out there.

[BUCKY]

The Complete Book of Dodge and Plymouth Muscle.

Page 205.



books.google.com/books?id=6zSfB-ph6yYC&pg=PA205&lpg=PA205&dq=were+Dog+Dish+caps+available+on+a+Dodge+A12?&source=bl&ots=rnQuV3UGPy&sig=ACfU3U1nm2inLRr1zSvIb2XURSla9DV1Kw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjqtprQjr3iAhXYFzQIHfNZChcQ6AEwD3oECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=were%20Dog%20Dish%20caps%20available%20on%20a%20Dodge%20A12%3F&f=false


States that dog dish caps were not available on A12 cars, only the steel wheels, black with chrome lug nuts.

A "Day 2" car could have a set added at the owner's expense.

[Deleted]

There it is. Official now. I knew there had to be something somewhere that proved whether you could or couldn't.

And yeah, a Day 2 car was what I fumbled around trying to get at. I just didn't state what I meant very clearly.

Don't mind me. I'm off my meds again. LOL! Thanks for digging that up.

[BUCKY]

No problem, sir. That's a little tidbit I didn't know, myself.