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Post by tubbs on May 24, 2018 9:04:48 GMT -5
no, not talking about boobs, you boobs.....
talking about your builds. how close do you guys get your builds to real life accurate? how much do you guys cut corners? i am not talking how good a build is, i am talking how close a build is to the real life car.
i only had a little time in the model room last night and one kit i am working on is a brand X kit. a 66 nova gasser. i spent all, and i mean ALL my time scrounging thru kits and boxes and drawers to find the right pieces for a straight axle front end. never laid a lick of paint or a drop of glue down. fanned thru old magazines for straight axel front ends, trying for that real look, shackles, leaf springs and all.
now, i could of just taken the leaf springs and glued them to the frame. oh no, not me!! i was after the real look, making shackles bolted to the frame, looking at scrap plastic for making steering linkage. i gathered enough stuff to pass as a model, but i did not do that. so, is this a waste of an hour of building time? no matter how much i make it real, my skills aint that good to do what some people can do. do i just glue the leaf spring to the chassis and let that be good enough?
i go to my model clubs and we have some real good builders. one a pro street guy like me, literally cuts the top of his rear tires off to drop the body over the frame. many chassis swaps these guys do, are either way too long, or too short. putty on intakes to make a dual quad intake into a single 4 bbl. even as small as the steering wheel resting on the seat. i will spend hours... days fitting a rear suspension to the ride height that i want and not cut the damn tire.
these guys come in, month after month, with new builds and are happy and excited to move onto their next build, while i bring the same build in for decades. where do you guys draw the line on a model build? how real do you guys get. if i would only live by "model rules" and realize that this build is not going to drive across the desk. its gonna sit on a shelf, or in a box and look good, you think maybe i would finish up more builds?
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Post by 68383 on May 24, 2018 10:27:04 GMT -5
I build for what will be visible, for the most part
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Post by sportabout on May 28, 2018 16:08:26 GMT -5
I think we build models not toys and I try to build as accurate as I can. It is sometimes difficult to fit parts together but those tire cutters are some kind of cheaters. In Finland even curbsides with metal axles can beat a good detailed model. The most important things are shiny paint and bright chromes. It is unfair. This is why I don't participate in the model car shows any more. Maybe once a year to get free entrance to the big American Car Show 
Yesterday I noticed the bed of my build-off A100 is very inaccurate. I can fix it but it takes a lot of time. If I leave it as it is I do against my principles. Damn this is difficult.
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Post by 1320wayne on May 28, 2018 20:20:37 GMT -5
I've been modeling for years and competing just the same. If you still build for the fun of the hobby then accuracy probably doesn't play a big role in how you build. If you're happy with it then that's all that matters. And, in all my years I still build for the enjoyment of the hobby.
However, I do love to compete and I feel that changes everything. Accuracy now becomes almost the number one focus in your build. Whether it's a factory stock that almost matches the 1:1 build sheet or a race car build that is done in the most accurate color with all of the correct markings in all of the correct places.
I build some pretty extreme builds that will take months, or years to complete, for the sake of accuracy and perfection. But I also love to build out of the box from time to time just to complete a model and get it on the shelf. There's a steady balance there and I think that's important to continue to enjoy the hobby and not get burnt out on those longer builds.
One of the most enjoyable builds I've done in the past few years was a non descript build for a Zombie Apocalypse challenge on one of the model forums. It was great because there were no rules and nothing that you did could be considered incorrect. It was just a bunch of kitbashing to make something fit the theme and however it came out it was right. I had so much fun with that one.
Now fast forward to today and I'm in the middle of a Euro Mercedes road racing build that I've had to paint three different times because I kept getting the exact color wrong. Couple that with the fact that part of the paint scheme is glossy and part is a matte finish adds an extra element of exactness to the build. Still having fun but it's a different kind of fun because accuracy is such key factor in the build.
And, in this age of social media and all of the model forums and facebook pages that you can post your work on you can be sure that if there is a detail that you missed or is incorrect then someone is going to call you out on it.
To me it's just as simple as finding that happy balance between quick builds for the sake of seeing them on the shelf and those long term builds that require more of a mental process and level of patience for the sake of accuracy and realism.
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Post by 68383 on May 28, 2018 21:48:35 GMT -5
Love to see the zombie apocalypse-mobile. I have plans to make one out of a Testarosa.
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Post by 1320wayne on May 29, 2018 11:01:59 GMT -5
Love to see the zombie apocalypse-mobile. I have plans to make one out of a Testarosa. Here it is. Started life as a Tamiya Toyota Land Cruiser. Added pieces from an old tank model and lots of scratchbuilding. The cow catcher on the front is made from brass and even has some zombie residue on it.  |
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Post by tubbs on May 29, 2018 13:02:55 GMT -5
I've been modeling for years and competing just the same. If you still build for the fun of the hobby then accuracy probably doesn't play a big role in how you build. If you're happy with it then that's all that matters. And, in all my years I still build for the enjoyment of the hobby. However, I do love to compete and I feel that changes everything. Accuracy now becomes almost the number one focus in your build. Whether it's a factory stock that almost matches the 1:1 build sheet or a race car build that is done in the most accurate color with all of the correct markings in all of the correct places. I build some pretty extreme builds that will take months, or years to complete, for the sake of accuracy and perfection. But I also love to build out of the box from time to time just to complete a model and get it on the shelf. There's a steady balance there and I think that's important to continue to enjoy the hobby and not get burnt out on those longer builds. One of the most enjoyable builds I've done in the past few years was a non descript build for a Zombie Apocalypse challenge on one of the model forums. It was great because there were no rules and nothing that you did could be considered incorrect. It was just a bunch of kitbashing to make something fit the theme and however it came out it was right. I had so much fun with that one. Now fast forward to today and I'm in the middle of a Euro Mercedes road racing build that I've had to paint three different times because I kept getting the exact color wrong. Couple that with the fact that part of the paint scheme is glossy and part is a matte finish adds an extra element of exactness to the build. Still having fun but it's a different kind of fun because accuracy is such key factor in the build. And, in this age of social media and all of the model forums and facebook pages that you can post your work on you can be sure that if there is a detail that you missed or is incorrect then someone is going to call you out on it. To me it's just as simple as finding that happy balance between quick builds for the sake of seeing them on the shelf and those long term builds that require more of a mental process and level of patience for the sake of accuracy and realism. first, nice zombie killer. never built one of these before. really like your explanation Wayne. dealing with both sides. i will not let myself "cut tires" to lower a car, but on the other hand, i am really loosing my touch at the detail. so much so, i don't even put spark plug wires on anymore, well, not so much. i will fight thru this and get something done. and can i say "welcome back" you have been away for a while. |
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Post by biggary on May 29, 2018 16:02:44 GMT -5
On a forum recently the question was asked, "How long since you completed a build?" for me, about 1996. But I enjoy being at the bench, but a little A.D.D. in some respects.
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Post by 68383 on May 29, 2018 16:11:24 GMT -5
I dig it! Very cool.
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Post by DusterEd on Jun 8, 2018 12:05:39 GMT -5
After reading the last comments many are correct. You build kits because you like it and you enjoy the finished project. I think in the end it's still that a model. You can't drive it and it will sit on the shelf. But there is a good side for most of us modelers. We enjoy looking at our and others works of art. I personally give opinions to help give knowledge. But it's just that an opinion. In the end you are the only one that will be happy with what you've done. I build kits because only the rich can afford to buy every car they want. And us regular guys can't do that. For me kit building is like buying a car new from back in the day. Even if it just sits on the self.
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Post by BUCKY on Jun 21, 2019 14:53:09 GMT -5
I don't go "hog wild" on detailing a model. I don't correct inaccuracies in bodies, or rooflines. If I can look at a model and know that it looks like a '71 Duster, instead of a '63 Impala, then I'm good with it. LOL
I add wired distributors on the engines. Sometimes, I'll kitbash if I need a certain part that the kit didn't have in the box.
I have a full blown custom that I've been working on for nearly ten years. I hafta wait til I'm in the mood to tinker with it, cause I want the 'look' to be right when I get finished with it.
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Post by goofy62 on Jun 21, 2019 17:28:08 GMT -5
You have to think of model building as a journey. It's not all about just having something to display, it's about getting there. If you don't particularly enjoy the work of the build, and just want something to sit on the shelf, you could just as well collect diecasts.
The way that I look at it is that each sub assembly is a model in itself.
The dashboard is a separate model, and then the entire interior becomes it's own model. The engine is a model in itself, as is the chassis. Hell, in most instances, I look at the firewall or wheels, etc, in this manner.
If each sub assembly is looked at in this way, the finished product can't help but be good, regardless of the detail level.
Even if you're not adding huge amounts of detail, you will be well served to think of building in this manner.
Cutting off the tops of tires denotes pure laziness in my opinion and makes me think that the builder is more interested in getting something on the table than actually enjoying what he's doing.
Steve
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Post by goofy62 on Jun 21, 2019 17:37:19 GMT -5
The most important things are shiny paint and bright chromes. It is unfair. This is why I don't participate in the model car shows any more. But isn't this, after all, the most important part of a model car?
The first thing that a person will see and take note of is how well the paint is done on a model car. This is the reason why a good number of modelers spend years and years perfecting a paint regime that produces good results.
I have always said, and I think many will agree, that all of the carburetor linkage, brake lines and valve stems in the world will not cover up a paint job that looks like it was sprayed through a garden hose over sand paper!
All of those details will not get a glance without a paint job that demands a second look.
Steve
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Post by BUCKY on Jun 21, 2019 17:53:24 GMT -5
I like the way you detail interiors to make them stand out more, Steve. A lot of times, interiors go unnoticed if there is not something there to grab the eye.
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Post by sportabout on Jun 24, 2019 12:26:01 GMT -5
The most important things are shiny paint and bright chromes. It is unfair. This is why I don't participate in the model car shows any more. But isn't this, after all, the most important part of a model car?
The first thing that a person will see and take note of is how well the paint is done on a model car. This is the reason why a good number of modelers spend years and years perfecting a paint regime that produces good results.
I have always said, and I think many will agree, that all of the carburetor linkage, brake lines and valve stems in the world will not cover up a paint job that looks like it was sprayed through a garden hose over sand paper!
All of those details will not get a glance without a paint job that demands a second look.
Steve
Paint job should be good but it is unfair to compare full detail model to curbside like it is common in Finland. If curbside has a bit better paint it will win.
Paint job is one part of the whole. Paint job is about 40%, interior 25%, engine compartment 25% and chassis 10% but this is only my opinion. Too shiny contest models may look like diecasts.
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